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"plaster"

February 20, 2008

a few weeks ago, one of our top LP fan sites, LP association, posted an old demo version of one step closer, back when it was still called "plaster." they did a piece on the article which seemed to be searching for facts and trying to figure out the authenticity of the recording. i heard it, and i thought i'd try to help out.

LP Association article and links to song HERE

the track found on their link is actually a rough of the song in its final stages, after we had finished all the recording, but before a final mix. we were trying to decide who should mix the album, and we had our hearts set on andy wallace. our A&R guy's boss at WB was david kahne.

according to our A&R guy at the time: david was one of the people who wasn't 100% impressed with our band and our sound, and wanted to take a crack at mixing this song in order to improve things (and obviously try to convince us to let him mix the record). this may or may not be true, but that's what we were told. obviously, david did a good job (the lpassociation mp3 is his mix)...but we decided to stick with our gut and go with andy. we had a feeling that andy, who mixed nirvana's "nevermind," would be a better fit for us.

some of the differences you can hear between "plaster" and the final album mix (by andy wallace)...

the main things that i remember sticking out to me when i first heard it was that david's mix made the verses sound thick (because of the low end) and therefore the choruses lost a little bit of their punch.

some samples also stood out. the camera shutter-ish samples you hear in david's mix are actually in the final andy wallace mix as well, but they're mixed quieter (and thinner, i think). we liked them quieter in andy's mix because they put more emphasis on the groove of rob's drums.

finally, a deciding factor for brad and i against david's mix was the edit to the "shut up" stuff--putting it in the intro. it made it sound like a remix, and ruined the surprise of the "shut up" coming in during the bridge (our thought was: if you've already heard that vocal part, the bridge packs less of a punch. it ruined the climax). that made me feel like we didn't really see eye-to-eye on this mix, so although the mix was good overall, we chose to have andy mix the song and album.

in david's interview with lpassociaton, he is (understandably) fuzzy about the details of our relationship back then. maybe it's because he was dealing with many bands, while we, on the other hand, were only dealing with one album, and one label. hopefully i can help out by putting some details out there. david wasn't involved with us when mark was in the band--he may have heard of us, but he didn't work on our stuff. he did, however, get involved a bit once we were in the studio, by hearding demos and giving feedback--the same thing many label people and A&R folks do.

as you've heard, though, much of the feedback we got from the label at that time didn't line up with the album we wanted to make or the band we wanted to be, so we chose to follow our own path.

the good and bad news about "plaster" is that i can't think of another, earlier demo of the song that would really exist. the only step before this one probably wouldn't have included any lyrics, but all the instrumental tracks would essentially be the same. as we wrote the song, we immediately recorded it, so that is to say there is only one recording; the first notes of the demo were in the same protools file that the song was finished in. there are no "live" demos, nor "garage recordings" of the song. so this version of "plaster" might be the earliest version out there.

mike

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    Posted 6 months ago by Hardik

    Hi,

    I have also made different style of one step closer which contains the various shut-up sequences of LP albums. It’s totally different than the original one’s rhythm.

    It can be called as an overview of previous Linkin park albums like how you guys have featured different artists. Original one is the best but this different version is worth a try.

    I am thinking about doing some changes in it than I want to submit the track on LPU. I don’t know where to put the track.

    Please Mike help me out for this. :)

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    Posted 6 months ago by JPkaukonen

    THIS IS MY TATTOO MIKE:

    www.jpkaukonen.com , I LOVE YOU MIKE < 3

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    Posted 6 months ago by CHEN_IL

    Interesting:] thanks for the information, i realy wnjoyed reading about plaster:] and I LOVE U!!!!! :P haha

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    Posted 6 months ago by Linkin_Paranoik

    i love plaster, that rocks, thanks for information about it Mike ;) oh and well..today i got my LPU pack, omg i'm so damn happy..!! it's amazing...i really really love it yay i'm so proud to be a LPU member! kisses from Italy.. love ya Mike.

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    Posted 6 months ago by DaniShinoda

    Hello Mike, it has been a long time I'm not come here, right? I started on the College and dont have much time... So, thanks for the posts about the demo 'Plaster', I imagined that it's a mix for some idea. Love you guy!

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    Posted 6 months ago by ShadowerLiltani

    I liked it at first, better than the album version... Then I found out that ya'll weren't really behind it... Now I'm not as into it as before, and like the album version better. Anyways, I think it's great that this was released, it's like, a blast from the past, man ;) lol.

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    Posted 6 months ago by Marjorielp933

    Hi Mike: My name is Marjorie and I am fans of "Midnight Soldiers." I would like to interview you to the club linkin park official Chilean My email is Hybrid_darkgirl@hotmail.com to add me to your email. It will be a pleasure to interview me and the club Chilean LP I hope you see my message. Goodbye

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    Posted 6 months ago by becksgiggs

    Can' agree more with the "shut up" part. Thanks for sharing this with us Mike!!!

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    Posted 6 months ago by fanka955

    :) Have a nice Day !! Greetings for You and Anna!!!!

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    Posted 6 months ago by asianotter

    Mike, thanks for ALWAYS taking the time! you are one of the biggest rockstars on planet and you always have time for the fans! and that's exactly why LP fans are so loyal. thank you also for your amazing background detail and insight into "Plaster". thanks, again!

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    Posted 6 months ago by ruri

    I appreciate your sincere explaining in detail about "Plaster". It is really interesting for us. Thank you so much!

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    Posted 6 months ago by yanTyan

    This version is a little b different from the one familiar to us.(Just listening) I recognize It's LP FORMACT, Mikey (^ . ^ ).Thanks for sharing your brain belongings. i'am so glad to be LP F. http://5music.org/Text/43699/

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    Posted 6 months ago by MusicalMorphine

    That's interesting to know. Thanks.

    I've also been wondering, is there any videos that exist out there from the Xero period?

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    Posted 6 months ago by Ann

    thanks for talking to us about the ditails of the recording if the song! it´s great to know the truth love you!!

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    Posted 6 months ago by Jhuryn

    Thank you for taking the time to post the correct info! I love hearing behind the scenes stories.

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    Posted 6 months ago by nillp

    preview video Linkin Park at Apple Soho store here

    ps: it was recorded for a future iTunes release. :)

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    Posted 6 months ago by linkinparc

    hey mike..

    first thank you very much for this, because you just said the "very truth" to us, that's really kind.

    And I want you to know that I and I think every LP fan appreacciates the time YOU spent for US (i can't tell that for other members) dave, you and the music of LP are the only reasons why I'm still such an addicted fan.

    thank you very much ana

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    Posted 6 months ago by linkingabo

    hey Wookie my friend....In Yourself you can find on my YouTube channel, that´s like a pause/break/interlude song, what the LP played on some/just one concert ;))

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    Posted 6 months ago by LinkinPete

    Haha, after all the years, it´s here.. or it has been here for some days, but anyways.. it sounds so cool and strange at the same time to hear the classic´s demo version after such a long time..

    I agree about the "Shut Up" -part.

    There has been sone debate on the MB about some other demos, such as Papercut, and whether they exist or not..

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    Posted 6 months ago by AS_21

    the only thing I can say is... WHOA!!! thanks 4 telling this to us.. :) the song is GREAT... love it... take care..

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